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Article: 27175
Subject: Re: XC4000 maps better than Spartan2
From: Ray Andraka <ray@andraka.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 23:54:14 GMT
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Depends on how you write your code.  Synplicity, for instance, will do the right
thing if you write the vhdl so the load is in front of the add:  

cnt_d<=din when ld_n ='0' else q;
cin<=1 when ld_n='1' else 0;
process...

cnt<=cnt_d+cin;

Later versions of synplicity handle the simpler cases like the ccle without
going to this extent.  It still doesn't handle merging logic with adders too
well.


Jan Gray wrote:
> 
> The Spartan-II (Virtex-family) carry logic is different from that of the
> XC4000 family.
> 
> It is possible to implement a CC8CLE in 4 slices (4 half CLBs), but as I
> wrote just yesterday at www.fpgacpu.org, the CC8CLE implementation (F2.1i
> library) uses twice as many slices as necessary.  I suspect your favorite
> synthesis product also requires 8 slices.
> 
> As I wrote yesterday, you can implement
>   o = add ? a + b : a
>   o = add ? a + b : c
>   o = add ? a + b : a ~& b
>   <<and other even cooler things>>
> in one logic cell (half-slice) per bit if you know the trick (using MULT_AND
> together with MUXCY and XORCY).  The Virtex library CC8CLE implementor (and
> my synthesis vendor's technology mapper) are apparently unaware of the
> technique.
> 
> Jan Gray, Gray Research LLC
> FPGA CPU News: www.fpgacpu.org

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Article: 27176
Subject: Re: CRC, LFSR and scramblers
From: iglasner@zumanetworks.com
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 00:59:30 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
13-Nov-00

   Rickman Hi,

      Long time ago (~3 years) a similar problem arise when there was a
need for crc in 1G Ethernet using Ocra device and the solution was
simple instead of having 32 FF using 96 FF when the F.O. of each FF was
now devided to 3 and this solve the matter.

the frequancy in that case was 125M so this should do for you as well.

have a nice day

   Illan

In article <3A0CB396.C53D0AA2@yahoo.com>,
  rickman <spamgoeshere4@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I posted this message earlier from the office, but it does not seem to
> be showing up now, so I will ask again.
>
> I am working on a CRC calculation which is similar to other
calculations
> that I need to do in an FPGA. Because we want to be target
independant,
> we will not be able to use any target specific optimizations. My
problem
> is that in performing CRC calculations for 32 bit parallel, the
> equations end up being rather complex with up to about 20 inputs. This
> is too many for the speeds we are trying to use (>=80 MHz). So we are
> looking for alternative ways to reduce the complexity of the logic.
>
> One way that I have heard is to use a higher order polynomial which
is a
> multiple of the one desired. This can have the effect of spreading the
> calculations over more bits so that each bit uses fewer inputs and can
> be calculated at a faster rate. Then to get the correct result, a
> polynomial division is done. The trick seems to be trying to find a
> polynomial that makes the calculation simpler.
>
> Anyone heard of this and have any idea of how to find such a
polynomial?
>
> --
>
> Rick "rickman" Collins
>
> rick.collins@XYarius.com
>
> Ignore the reply address. To email me use the above address with the
XY
> removed.
>
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> Specializing in DSP and FPGA design
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Article: 27177
Subject: Re: Synopsys VSS and XilinxCorelib weirdness
From: Addie Tang <addietang@solomon-systech.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 09:53:14 +0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Hi,

	I believe that you should upgrade your synopsys to 
2000.11. The message below is quoted from Solvit news:

=========================================================================
October 24, 2000     Functional Bug in MC-inside-DW Flow         SS-147
=========================================================================
                         
                              *******************
                                     NEWS
                              *******************
 
 
Functional Bug in MC-inside-DW Flow
===================================
 
A functional STAR (Synopsys Technical Action Request) has been reported
in the MC-inside-DW flow that may affect your design. This bug only affects
the Design Compiler 2000.05 release, and it's patch versions. 
 
The bug has been fixed in the Design Compiler 2000.11 release.

...
 
Steven Derrien wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> We've just upgarded to synopsys VSS 2000.05 and Xilinx M3.1, and some of
> my design whiwh used to simulate fine now generate an error during
> vhdlsim. Specificaly I use a behavioral model for the async_fifo core in
> the Coregen Library and this gives me the following error message (note
> that I did not forget to recompile all the library source file after
> upgrading)
> 
> vhdlsim,106: The following error was encountered while elaborating
> 
> /INFIFO/FIFO/CONTROL/WRSYNC_DCOUNT_BLK/GEN_WRSYNC_DCOUNT/WRSYNC_DATA_COUNT_SUB/COMPONENT:
> **Error: vhdlsim,4:
>     Array index range length mismatch.
> 
> The configuration I use for my design seems consistent to me (and was
> actually generated by the
> coregen tool itself). What I don't understand is that synopsys now find
> an error in xilinxcorelib vhdl
> source code while It didn't in previous version.
> 
>         for all : pci2usr use entity XilinxCoreLib.async_fifo_v1_0(behavioral)
>                 generic map(
>                         c_wr_err_low => 0,
>                         c_has_rd_count => 0,
>                         c_has_rd_ack => 0,
>                         c_wr_ack_low => 0,
>                         c_has_wr_count => 1,
>                         c_has_wr_ack => 0,
>                         c_has_almost_full => 0,
>                         c_has_almost_empty => 1,
>                         c_wr_count_width => 8,
>                         c_rd_count_width => 0,
>                         c_has_rd_err => 1,
>                         c_data_width => 32,
>                         c_has_wr_err => 1,
>                         c_rd_ack_low => 0,
>                         c_rd_err_low => 0,
>                         c_fifo_depth => 255,
>                         c_enable_rlocs => 1,
>                         c_use_blockmem => 1);
>         end for;
> 
> Has someone faced the same problem ?
> 
> Steven


	Hope this can help!!

Regards,
Addie Tang

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Article: 27178
Subject: Re: Leon processor core
From: David Foulds <dfoulds@pacbell.net>
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:17:34 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
i don't think devel. tools are a problem, the gnu
stuff works fine.

for more info, check out the group leon-sparc
on www.egroups.com or the web page (use google
to search for 'leon sparc')

cheers david


Frank Van de Sande wrote:

> hi,
>
> has anyone ever used the Sparc prcessor core from ESA (called Leon)?
>
> I'm considering it's use as a softcore in a Virtex, but i'm a bit
> worried about development tools (compilers etc)
>
> any experiences about the model and/or the tools?
>
> thanks
>
> Frank Van de Sande
> fvds12@yahoo.com


Article: 27179
Subject: Re: Spartan-II with 5V ISA bus
From: haydenso@my-deja.com
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 05:35:47 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Thank you all for your replies.  I will definitely look into the 74245
part.

Hayden


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Article: 27180
Subject: Re: Pull-up
From: Jonas <>
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:37:41 -0700
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Ty Ray, I'll follow your advice and use an external pull-up.<br>Jonas

Article: 27181
Subject: FPGA designers in the Bay Area (San Jose) - Need a new start?
From: "Brad Pollard" <bpollard@alumni.calpoly.edu>
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:17:17 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
I'm a FPGA designer like you.  I work for a medium sized company based out
of Southern California, with a small San Jose design office.  We need a few
more talented FPGA engineers.  I can't say enough about the place I work at.
I am a Junior member of our staff, and there are only 5 designers including
myself.  The other 4 have worked together for a long time and are super
talented.  We do networking stuff, and just are bombarded with work.
If you are talented, and have a good personality (pleasant to work with)
then please contact me to learn more.  Like I said, I'm not an HR person,
I'm not a headhunter, you could possibly be working in the cube right across
from me.  Tons of financial perks, and we have been in business for 10
years.  Our #1 account: Cisco, our #2 account: Nortel.
We aren't fly by night.  We just need talented people for a great working
atmosphere.
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Article: 27182
Subject: Re: CRC, LFSR and scramblers
From: murray@pa.dec.com (Hal Murray)
Date: 14 Nov 2000 06:55:24 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>

> I haven't looked at the details of CRC to know how feasible this is, but 
> here's an approach you can try:
> 
> You are trying to compute functions
> 
> result(i) = F1(input(i), feedback(i-1))
> 
> feedback(i) = F2(input(i), feedback(i-1))
> 
[snip]
> 
> feedback(i) = F3(F4(input(i)), feedback(i-1))

I think if you look at the CRC calculations, the
first thing you want to do is XOR each input bit
with the corresponding state bit, then feed that
vector to a cloud of XOR gates.

That is, I don't know of any way to pipeline it.

You can push the FFs around the timing loop so that
they grab things right after that initial XOR.  I
get a sore head every time I try to think that way,
but it helped a lot when we did the CRC-32 in a
3190 many years ago.



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Article: 27183
Subject: Re: LUT and EDIF
From: Richard Meester <rme@quest-innovations.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 08:53:58 +0100
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Phil and steve,
thanks for the comments.



Phil James-Roxby wrote:

> Richard Meester wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I am looking for some in depth information about LUTS and edif file
> > specs.
> >
> > I know what luts are, and what they can be used for, but is there any
> > information on what equations to use when, and what init strings to
> > provide. I read an article which described some of this by a truth
> > table, but i would much like a xilinx documentation on the technical
> > part of a lut.
> >
> > About the edif specs. I would like to know how to write a valid edif
> > file structure. Do you know of any information about this, except for
> > the $300,00 specs itself.
>
> I've done a fair bit of work involving LUTs and EDIF.  I'm not entirely
> sure what you mean in the second paragraph, in terms of equations and
> init strings.  The init string for a LUT in a Xilinx piece is simply the
> 1 bit wide 16 entry look-up table.  Is this what you mean?

Yes, the 16*1 lookup table. The articel i read described this lookup table,
but i am not sure which inputs are for which part of the lookup table. I did
what steven and you are suggesting and trying to figure out the edif from
simple vhdl examples. This also gives me lut equations. I.e. for an AND i
qet the equation I0 + I1 and an init string of E.
in a 4lut lookup table i would have something simular. But which input is
connected to which place in the table. This is needed to calculate the init
string.
I.e.

     | 00 | 01 | 10 | 11        -> these are I0 and I1, but which one is I0
and which one is I1. Is the first one I0?
--------------------------
00 |
01 |
10 |
11 |

above are I2 and I3. But which is which. Is the first one I2?

Secondly, the luts can also behave as rams, and LFSR. How do you connect
such a lut, and how does the table look like.

>
> I sussed how to write EDIF by looking at the output of synthesis tools,
> its all ASCII and quite humanly readable.  To check the syntax of my
> handwritten EDIF, I used Active VHDL which will tell you the line number
> of your first error and not much else.  But its about as good as it
> gets.
> I believe Brad Hutchings and the people at BYU have an EDIF parser
> written in Java which is free.  This may be useful for you.
> Phil

Indeed the parser is for free. But it does just that, it parses, not
generates. But i will look in the generated edifs, and try figuring it out
myself.

Richard


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Article: 27184
Subject: Re: Synopsys VSS and XilinxCorelib weirdness
From: Steven Derrien <sderrien@irisa.fr>
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 09:52:22 +0100
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>

The problem is nots solved but I upgraded to the latest IP upgrade for
M3.1 in which they provide a new version of the asynchronous FIFO core
which simulates fine with VSS.

Thank you for your help.

Steven

Steven Derrien wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> We've just upgarded to synopsys VSS 2000.05 and Xilinx M3.1, and some of
> my design whiwh used to simulate fine now generate an error during
> vhdlsim. Specificaly I use a behavioral model for the async_fifo core in
> the Coregen Library and this gives me the following error message (note
> that I did not forget to recompile all the library source file after
> upgrading)
> 
> vhdlsim,106: The following error was encountered while elaborating
> 
> /INFIFO/FIFO/CONTROL/WRSYNC_DCOUNT_BLK/GEN_WRSYNC_DCOUNT/WRSYNC_DATA_COUNT_SUB/COMPONENT:
> **Error: vhdlsim,4:
>     Array index range length mismatch.
> 
> The configuration I use for my design seems consistent to me (and was
> actually generated by the
> coregen tool itself). What I don't understand is that synopsys now find
> an error in xilinxcorelib vhdl
> source code while It didn't in previous version.
> 
>         for all : pci2usr use entity XilinxCoreLib.async_fifo_v1_0(behavioral)
>                 generic map(
>                         c_wr_err_low => 0,
>                         c_has_rd_count => 0,
>                         c_has_rd_ack => 0,
>                         c_wr_ack_low => 0,
>                         c_has_wr_count => 1,
>                         c_has_wr_ack => 0,
>                         c_has_almost_full => 0,
>                         c_has_almost_empty => 1,
>                         c_wr_count_width => 8,
>                         c_rd_count_width => 0,
>                         c_has_rd_err => 1,
>                         c_data_width => 32,
>                         c_has_wr_err => 1,
>                         c_rd_ack_low => 0,
>                         c_rd_err_low => 0,
>                         c_fifo_depth => 255,
>                         c_enable_rlocs => 1,
>                         c_use_blockmem => 1);
>         end for;
> 
> Has someone faced the same problem ?
> 
> Steven

Article: 27185
Subject: Re: Config device for Altera 10K10
From: Dmitry Kuznetsov <dkuzn@orc.ru>
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:08:11 +0300
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Mon, 13 Nov 2000 07:33:47 +0000 (UTC)  V Ram
<ipickeledthefigsmyself@mrbourns.com> written:

>I would like to find an ISP Serial EEPROM for an Altera 10K10. I currently
>have a EPC1LC20, but that requires a seperate programmer. Altera does have
>the EPC2 parts but they're pretty expensive (more expensive than the
>FPGA!). Any alternatives?
>
>I know Atmel makes parts that work with Xilinx/Altera, but they aren't
>JTAG ISP. Would the Xilinx config PROMs work an Altera? I think they're
>JTAG ISP... 
>
>Any known working alternatives for the 10K10?

 Try "In System Programming of configurators
      AT17C65/128/256/512/010 of firm ATMEL"
  http://www.orc.ru/~dkuzn/at17isp_e.htm
 Supported functions:
  - Setting and testing a polarity of pin Reset/OE.
  - Disable and enabling a built-in generator DCLK.
  - Reading and writing through 2-wires interface I2C.
  - Verification - comparison with exemplary (source) file.
  - Support of textual format TTF.
 Used ByteBlaster.
 Works under DOS or Win9x only. Version for WinNT inaccessible :(

 Read file "AT17_ENG.TXT". All drawings in the ASCII-coding.
 Configurator AT17C512A-10JI with built-in generator DCLK cost
approximately $10.

Best regards!
 Dmitry Kuznetsov, Moscow, http://www.orc.ru/~dkuzn/index.htm
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Article: 27186
Subject: Re: Leonardo for Altera
From: flavioas@my-deja.com
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 11:11:46 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>


    Hi,

    Thank you all for your answers. As i could see, the best thing to
do is before launching Leonardo, starts maxplus2 to set .ACF correctly.
I heard from Mentor that there were a bug in Leonardo level 1, for
Altera.

    Bye,

    Flávio


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Article: 27187
Subject: Re: How to read schematic after synthesis
From: "Chris Mc Clements" <cmcclement@computing.dundee.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:56:04 -0000
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
You need to select the EDIF netlist format (*.edf or something similiar) in
the generate schematic dialog box. The synopsys FPGA sythesiser uses the
EDIF format for gate level descriptions. This should work although the
schematics are useually to big and complex to follow, but thats life...

Chris.


<qianz@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8up4fn$1ii$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> By Xilinx Foundation 3.li
> At first create a simple VHDL project
> then synthesis, if successfully synthesis this
> click schematic menu, select
> Generate schematic from netlist
> but it shows
> " Check Netlist File(types 0)"
> while gives me a blank schematic
> What is wrong?:(
> Thank you very much!
>
>
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Article: 27188
Subject: Job posting info
From: Mark Mahoney <markmahoney1@mediaone.net>
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:04:47 -0500
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Hello,
Can anybody suggest a mailing list or news group where I can post a job
opportunity(other than the usual-Monster, ne.jobs, etc. I have done
that) I have for a FPGA designer in the Boston Ma. area? I don't want to
insult the integrity of this group by posting the details here.

Thanks,
Mark


Article: 27189
Subject: Re: Leonardo for Altera
From: cadmanager@my-deja.com
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:43:47 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
In article <8ur6lf$nk3$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
  flavioas@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>
>     Hi,
>
>     Thank you all for your answers. As i could
see, the best thing to
> do is before launching Leonardo, starts
maxplus2 to set .ACF correctly.
> I heard from Mentor that there were a bug in
Leonardo level 1, for
> Altera.
>
>     Bye,
>
>     Flávio
>
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>
No You Don't. The best Methodology is :

synthesize your design with leonardo in a
separate directory and don't forget to uncheck
the automatic creation of ACF file in leonardo
because we didn't need it. And because it always
write over the existing acf file too.

then, go to another directory named (for example)
place.
copy the edif file that leonardo create in the
place directory.
launch maxplus2 or Quartus from the place
directory. It create a ACF for the first time.

so now, You have a good ACF that you can modify
to apply your pinout. And this file will be never
rewrite by leonardo.
that's all

best regards


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Article: 27190
Subject: Re: CRC, LFSR and scramblers
From: Catalin <a@z.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:47:00 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Hi Rick,

I think I have exactly what you need - a generic (any data and polynomial size, programmable polynomial and initial value), portable (any FPGA and/or ASIC) VHDL CRC generator that runs at over 80MHz (2.6Gbps) in Virtex FPGAs for 32-bit input data and 32-bit polynomial. 

If you are interested you can reach me at catalin59@yahoo.com

Catalin Baetoniu

Article: 27191
Subject: Re: LUT and EDIF
From: Phil James-Roxby <phil.james-roxby@xilinx.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 11:15:20 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Richard Meester wrote:

> Yes, the 16*1 lookup table. The articel i read described this lookup table,
> but i am not sure which inputs are for which part of the lookup table. I did
> what steven and you are suggesting and trying to figure out the edif from
> simple vhdl examples. This also gives me lut equations. I.e. for an AND i
> qet the equation I0 + I1 and an init string of E.
> in a 4lut lookup table i would have something simular. But which input is
> connected to which place in the table. This is needed to calculate the init <snip>

OK, first thing is the INIT value is the truth table in hex, where I0 is
the least significant bit, I1 is the next least and so on.  So you read
from the top of the truth table, in your case a 2 input AND, so its only
1 when I0 and I1 are 1, so 0001, then you have to invert this value
(don't ask me why!) to get 1110 or E in Hex. 


> Secondly, the luts can also behave as rams, and LFSR. How do you connect
> such a lut, and how does the table look like.

Don't instantiate a LUT, instantiate a RAM16x1 or an SRL16.  Your
favourite VHDL tool or the Xilinx library guide can give you the
'pinouts' for these components.  They are found in the vcomponents
library.

> Indeed the parser is for free. But it does just that, it parses, not
> generates. But i will look in the generated edifs, and try figuring it out
> myself.

I generate just by spitting out the relevant EDIF using Java.  I have a
few helper classes which keep track of open paranthesis and will format
accordingly.  You are (all) welcome to those.  I dunno if there is a
more intelligent way than this.
Phil

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Article: 27192
Subject: reset pulse ?
From: erika_uk@my-deja.com
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:09:54 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
hey,

just basic question. will the reset pulse be generated "automatically"
after configuration? can i use this pulse to clear some counters
synchrnously. i don't want to infer the startup because of...(the
famous story)

thanks

--Erika


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Article: 27193
Subject: Re: reset pulse ?
From: erika_uk@my-deja.com
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:19:40 GMT
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I forget to add, is there any prefixed from where i can drive it ?

In article <8usd7d$pqh$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
  erika_uk@my-deja.com wrote:
> hey,
>
> just basic question. will the reset pulse be generated "automatically"
> after configuration? can i use this pulse to clear some counters
> synchrnously. i don't want to infer the startup because of...(the
> famous story)
>
> thanks
>
> --Erika
>
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>


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Article: 27194
Subject: Re: Please guide newbies to real PLD ?
From: Tom <tomcip@concentric.net>
Date: 15 Nov 2000 00:23:08 GMT
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Wisut,

The way to begin is by going to the web site of the tool vendor that you happen
to be working with. In your case, if I am not mistaken, this would be
www.altera.com. In your post you say that you have the maxplusII tools.  That
is a good start. I, myself, use Xilinx tools but I am sure that the whole
design process is documented at the altera web site. Take the time, download
the proper manuals and you will get a feel for what you need to do. As for the
programming method you will use, that is up to you (whichever is easiest for
now....verilog, vhdl, abel, etc.). I am sure that Altera supports them all.

I am sorry that this answer is not very detailed but I think that you have a
lot of reading to do. Once you get more familiar with the process you will be
able to ask more detailed questions.

Good luck.

Tom Cipollone
tomcip@concentric.net


Wisut Hantanong wrote:

> I want to burn my own PLD (with my universal  programmer ALL 11 from
> www.hilosystems.com ), How to begin ?
>  I've got some *.vhd and abel  code. How to compile and program it?
> Is there use HEX code like in eprom for microprocessor?
> I have some vhdl skill, digital circuit design, I can use maxplusII program
> from altera (vhdl design course in university but only done with  start
> kit).
> My first project is DRAM Controller form PAL device.I've get vhld code for
> xilinx fpga.
> Please tell me good introduction web.


Article: 27195
Subject: Re: Webpack 3.2WP3.x from Xilinx is useless
From: Rick Filipkiewicz <rick@algor.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 01:56:58 +0000
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Tim Jaynes wrote:

> Hi all,
> This is a known issue normally seen in non-English versions of Windows.
> There is a solution on this- 10223: simply enter 'parser' in the Answers
> Database search area.
> It will tell you to open a support case with Xilinx- and you are supported
>
> even if using WebPACK- so that a support engineer here can get you
> the tactical patch for this problem.
> Regards,
> Tim
>

... or, alternatively, dump the GUI & run ngdbuild from the command line ?



Article: 27196
Subject: Re: Clear AND Preset Pins
From: "Qian Zhang" <qianz@cae.wisc.edu>
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:14:20 -0600
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but if I wanna to setup an initial value
what can I do?
For example I have  a counter while the counter starts not from 0
but from 11 what can I do?
Thank you very much!
Andy Peters n o a o [.] e d u> <"apeters <"@> wrote in message
news:8upcda$sjm$1@noao.edu...
> madisonfff@usa.net wrote:
> >
> > Hi When I tried to synthesis
> >
> > the errors are
> >
> > the sequential mapping has detected that the cell "/ver1-
> > Optimized/Counter_r
> >
> > eg<i?'
> >
> > uses both the asynchronous 'set' and 'clear' pins
> >
> > Can anyone tell me how to deal with that?
> >
> > What is the difference of 'set' and 'clear' pins
> >
> > Thank you very very much!
> >
> >  Here is my VHDL program
> >
> > COUNTER_Gen: process
> >
> > (CLK,COUNTER,RESET,IFREQ,IDEADTIME,IDUTYRATIO,REALCONTROL,REALPHASE,IPH
> >
> > ASE)
>
> [snip rest of code]
>
> You should read the Synopsys HDL guide that comes with FPGA Express and
> the Xilinx tools -- there's a style guide that will tell you the correct
> constructs to use in your HDL to get it to do what you want to do.  You
> may also want to pick up one of the books about VHDL for synthesis.
>
> Part of your problem is that your sensitivity list should only have a
> clock and an async reset if you intend to infer flip-flops.  Your code
> is confusing the tool.
>
> As for the difference between set and clear pins, when the async reset
> is asserted, the flop's output is either set (to 1) or cleared (to 0).
> Since the Xilinx architecture only lets you do one or the other, it
> complains if you try to do both.
> --
> ----------------------------
> Andy Peters
> Sr. Electrical Engineer
> National Optical Astronomy Observatory
> 950 N Cherry Ave
> Tucson, AZ 85719
> apeters (at) n o a o [dot] e d u
>
> "It is better to be silent and thought a fool,
>  than to send an e-mail to the entire company
>  and remove all doubt."



Article: 27197
Subject: Re: How to read schematic after synthesis
From: "Qian Zhang" <qianz@cae.wisc.edu>
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:16:53 -0600
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Hi I tried this way
and got a lot of *.alr file
but there is still errors "G28*** error"
but when I synthesized only the warning shows.
what is wrong?
Thank you once again!
Chris Mc Clements <cmcclement@computing.dundee.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:8urr0k$hss$1@dux.dundee.ac.uk...
> You need to select the EDIF netlist format (*.edf or something similiar)
in
> the generate schematic dialog box. The synopsys FPGA sythesiser uses the
> EDIF format for gate level descriptions. This should work although the
> schematics are useually to big and complex to follow, but thats life...
>
> Chris.
>
>
> <qianz@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8up4fn$1ii$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > By Xilinx Foundation 3.li
> > At first create a simple VHDL project
> > then synthesis, if successfully synthesis this
> > click schematic menu, select
> > Generate schematic from netlist
> > but it shows
> > " Check Netlist File(types 0)"
> > while gives me a blank schematic
> > What is wrong?:(
> > Thank you very much!
> >
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
>
>



Article: 27198
Subject: Des warning matter?
From: "Qian Zhang" <qianz@cae.wisc.edu>
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:31:08 -0600
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Hi There
the Xilinx Foundation 3.li tells me that the synthesis sucessfully
implemented
but there are a lot of warning, does it matter?

Thank you very much!

Qian



Article: 27199
Subject: Re: CRC, LFSR and scramblers
From: "John L. Smith" <jsmith@visicom.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:48:25 -0800
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Rick,

(It's Tuesday already, you probably have what you need by now, but..)

I wouldn't give up on Peter's suggestion too quickly.
Check out Ross Williams' paper at:
http://www.ross.net/crc/crcpaper.html

It is a good explanation of CRC, and some interesting
ways to calculate. In particular, the 'table driven'
method does not require a really deep table.
Quoting from the paper:
"Algorithm 
   1.Shift the register left by one byte, 
     reading in a new message byte. 
   2.Use the top byte just rotated out of
     the register to index the table of 256 32-bit values. 
   3.XOR the table value into the register. 
   4.Goto 1 iff more augmented message bytes."

(Company news server doesn't have start of this thread,
but I gather you want to process 4 bytes/cycle,
and don't know what clock rate you need)

The algorithm above only needs a 256 deep x 32 wide table.
That's a mere 1 BlockRAM, using 256 x 16 x Dualport.
Unfortunately, the need for a clocked read out of the
BlockRAMs means this takes two cycles (Peter, here is
another case where the clocked read is a nuisance! Is
there really no way to design these things with flow-thru
address->data? ). And to do four bytes using that
algorithm might be implemented with 4 BlockRAMs
in 5 cycles.
Check out the paper, it may give you some ideas.
HTH
John

rickman wrote:
> > rickman wrote:
> > >
> > > Certainly this would work if we were doing a smaller calculation. We
> > > could use the block ram as a lookup table. But we have 32 bits input
> > > with 9 to 16 bits of feedback and 32 bits out. This would need far too
> > > large of a RAM to be practical.
> > >
> > > We also can't use proprietary features. This company wants to be
> > > independant of FPGA vendors so we don't make use of any proprietary
> > > features. Every time they design a new module, they compete price to
> > > pick a vendor. This may be smart or not depending on how much larger of
> > > a part they need to do a given job. But mine is not to reason why...
> > >
> > > It is also an interesting problem. I could stand to learn a little more
> > > about modular arithmetic and other such matters.
> > >
> > > Peter Alfke wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Is there a way to simplify ( and speed up ) this calculation by using
> > > > BlockRAMs as look-up tables?
> > > > Today's Virtex offers many 4k-bit dual-ported RAMs ( or call them ROMs ) of
> > > > arbitrary aspect ratio, e.g. 256 x 16.
> > > > The upcoming Virtex-II has 18 Kb dual-ported BlockRAMs that can be used as 1K
> > > > x 18 or 512 x 36 look-up tables. ( And each BlockRAM has two independent
> > > > ports, so it can implement the same code conversion or algorithm twice,
> > > > simultaneously. )
> > > >
> > > > These RAMs or ROMs are very fast, 1 ns set-up, < 3 ns clock-to-out,
> > > > and they are free, if you don't need them for anything better.
> > > >
> > > > Just a half-cooked thought...
> > > > Peter Alfke
> > > >



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